My favorite quote from a Terry not Pratchett.
Terry was my first look into how mean the internet is. Here was a man, wicked smart, but with some very clear issues. He was kind enough to share himself with all of us, producing videos and putting his work out there but Instead of engaging with him while recognizing his limitations, we mocked him. People turned up to prod him to say "CIA N...". They asked him the same 5 questions to bait him into saying something stupid. It was honestly horrible.
Learning of Terry marked the end of my internet innocence. Suddenly it wasn't just fun and games, but real people with real lives.
Then, Internet trolls targeted Terry because of his controversial remarks.
The trolls celebrated all of his questionable actions, ruining his relationship with his parents who eventually kicked him out of the house. At that point he became homeless, living in a car.
Because of his mental condition, he broke the law in several occasions. In his late videos he can be seen unshaved and having difficulties to keep personal hygiene, unlike before he became homeless, where he was always shaved and clean.
Not so long after becoming homeless he died killed by a train and some believe it was suicide.
Did we ever found out who the trolls were?
I would call Shrine a fairly minimalist fork, in that there's a lot built on top of TempleOS, but the core is mostly the same. A more minimalist fork is TinkerOS, which is a lot closer to stock TempleOS but with bugfixes, modern hardware support, and some software packages added.
ZealOS is a maximalist fork, changing the core of TempleOS everywhere the authors see fit. Nothing wrong with that either.
The fork authors are in contact with each other and discuss ideas / share code occasionally.
Lsh's repo: https://github.com/minexew/Lsh
He was an incredibly gifted, yet equally troubled, individual, with some noble goals for what computing should look like. There are many good ideas in TempleOS we can all be inspired from, and I'm glad there are people working on expanding and making them more accessible.
His last Video. Aug. 11, 2018.
Here some philosophical stuff:
Bird Analogy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmltIMPMeP0
On Reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-SJKJnZ9cg
Here is a two part interview where he talks computer science stuff.
It's a fairly well-documented phenomenon that people suffering from things like dimensia or alzheimers will behave inappropriately, in ways they wouldn't have earlier in life.
Whether they're expressing deep-seated beliefs or simply no longer able to filter invasive thoughts is hard to say. The brain is a complex system and damage caused by trauma or exposure to lead, for example, can also cause increased impulsiveness and social aggression.
I can't imagine how terrifying it must be to slowly lose control of your mind and 'self'.
Take a look at his original account on here and you will find some - but also, there are many videos in which he has lasting moments of lucidity. Typically when talking about his old hobbies and passions.
Completely normal and not even slightly unhinged conversation - one would never know he was otherwise the ways he were.
Forking TempleOS and working on it is the fetishization of schizophrenic delusion, so at the least it should stay consistent with the schizophrenic's clearly expressed ends. If people want to do their own thing, they should come up with their own thing.
I think your conflating the treatment he received here with how he was treated on Reddit.
People admired his work and acknowledged the existence of his project. People talked about it a lot and it was definitely interesting to see develop. However the person himself was definitely not welcome on HN (and I can't really fault that logic).
Propagation of harmful sentiments from anyone, but especially someone who (rightfully) inspires admiration will spread those further to people who are easily influenced or unable to separate a technical brilliance from someones capabilities in the rest of their life.
To be clear - Terry remains an inspiration to me, but I can understand the predicament of a moderator who needs to maintain a space.
The most awkward part was when people would talk about him as if he weren't active in the threads.
Now I read many of Terry's comments without ever turning on showdead. Even if he were hellbanned, it would've been a consequence of his actions regardless of the reasons behind them.
But maybe it's not even worth responding to somebody who creates a throwaway to make such statements.
Happy to be downvoted into the ground for my earlier statement.
He deserved so much better.
His mental illness was not his fault. But it is also understandable that when someone uses the n-word, they will get downvoted and banned, even when it’s not their fault.
If you would like to contribute constructively to the discussion you're welcome to cite comments that you feel HN have censored in some way
EDIT: Fixed a typo
All I’m doing is paying my respects to a hyper-intelligent genius who was driven to suicide partially because of this website.
Or to hire one person for him, reviewing all comments from him and filtering out the worst?
And assuming this is really what you think, how long till the next poor racist genious shows up, demanding equal rights?
Would you be able to operate a forum like that?
Mentioning downvotes on HN is incredibly stupid, & if you comb through my past comments, you can see me calling people out for it.
In this very specific & nuanced situation, though - I am using it to mock & make clear my utter contempt & hatred of those who did view Terry as a sad, funny meme, & were laughing all along the way while watching his downward spiral, which culminated in his suicide.
Many of those, still on here & reading this thread, will essentially want to mock my kindness towards Terry & his tormented life. & calling that out is my personal fuck you to them.
No comment regarding anything else in your response.
> And assuming this is really what you think, how long till the next poor racist genious shows up, demanding equal rights?
> Would you be able to operate a forum like that?
Can you name three others? Even one? I don't think "there will be too many" is a remotely realistic worry.
I am sure the answer is just because we can, just for fun, to make it more accessible. But I kind of wish there was an answer to that question in the README or on the site.
Here’s an old comment from Terry I wish he could say to you for your tone & feelings towards him.
>>”STFU. When you can work bigger miracles than I, you can open your mouth.”
The OS contains genius ideas, it's not called "TempleOS" it is public domain, the devel workflow is the same..i think it keeps one of Terry's good sides alive...i would be honored.